This post, copied from Poul Anderson Appreciation, is a sequel to Poul Anderson Update, also on Poul Anderson Appreciation:
OK. I have struggled to the end of John Brunner's Threshold Of Eternity (New
York, 1959). I now think that this work is a text book example of how
not to write about time travel. Both the narrative and the dialogue
present a series of statements that are at at best incomprehensible and
at worst incoherent with an apparent assumption that all such statements
are clear and unproblematic for the reader.
For example:
"'Assume
that the universe has a strong tendency to remain unified. Our original
researches into four-dimensional existence suggested that probability.
Then my going-double might have been firmly under the impression that he
had remained in his own present and was giving information to the
[another character] of his own present. However, if that information had
been acted upon, it would have ironed out one of the distinctions
between the two time-streams. Follow me?'
"'I do indeed...'" (p. 118)
Do you?
I
was going to check how Brunner described his characters visiting a
historical period. Not as well as Anderson. Brunner's characters dip in
and out of the seventeenth century and quickly return to their preferred
environment of spaceship interiors. Anderson often evokes the feel of
an era by listing the sights, sounds and smells encountered by a time
traveler on entering an ancient city. Brunner approaches this in just
one paragraph about The Hague:
"Passing men laden with
goods, men selling fresh water from barrels, itinerant vendors of
needles, distinguished citizens with attendants, rough artisans,
slatternly women, they were predominantly conscious of one thing - a
stink which was almost nauseating...from upper story windows
maidservants were casually tossing night slops into the streets, horses
padded through the muddy pools leaving the inevitable signs of their
passage..." (p. 85)
But we need far more than this to give us any sense of people, including visiting time travelers, living in that period.
Also,
as I suspected, the men of different epochs fighting the space-time war
on planets of different cultures exist only in the blurb and not in the
text.
Tuesday, 26 November 2013
Monday, 25 November 2013
Space Time Wars
Although a war fought throughout space and time sounds like a straightforward idea, it is anything but. Doctor Who
would have us believe that the Doctor is the last surviving Time Lord
with no access to fellow Time Lords since they all died in a Time War.
However, if they all died at a particular time, then surely he is able
to travel to before they died? And, before dying, some of them would
surely have traveled into their future? Therefore, some may exist now
or, failing that, will in a while? And, if, as its name suggests, the
Time War is fought at various times, then some of it is happening now or
will in the future? Thus, even if all the Time Lords are to die in that
war, they need not be all dead yet and, even if they were, a time
traveler could still have access to them?
I am reading John Brunner's Threshold Of Eternity and expect some surprises before the end. The blurb informs us that:
"...there was a war going on throughout space and time. A war fought by men of different epochs, on planets of different cultures..." (Threshold Of Eternity, New York, 1959, p. 1)
So far in the text, however, the war, in our future, is only against an alien enemy in space. The time element consists of the fact that a battling spaceship can suffer a "...temporal surge..." that scatters its crew throughout history although they have a mechanism by which they can instantly return to their present (pp. 10-11). I expect that there is going to be more to it than that but I wonder if the "...men of different epochs, on planets of different cultures..." exist only in the blurb? (I will soon find out.)
As always, Poul Anderson comes to the rescue. His time travelers move through real history, not through abstract "space and time." In his The Corridors Of Time, rival human powers on a future Earth dispatch agents throughout history and prehistory. Unable to change events, they nevertheless recruit supporters and try to influence long term historical tendencies in order to determine an outcome in their future from which both sides are barred by their successors who, we learn, have transcended the conflict.
That really is a war fought throughout space and time.
I am reading John Brunner's Threshold Of Eternity and expect some surprises before the end. The blurb informs us that:
"...there was a war going on throughout space and time. A war fought by men of different epochs, on planets of different cultures..." (Threshold Of Eternity, New York, 1959, p. 1)
So far in the text, however, the war, in our future, is only against an alien enemy in space. The time element consists of the fact that a battling spaceship can suffer a "...temporal surge..." that scatters its crew throughout history although they have a mechanism by which they can instantly return to their present (pp. 10-11). I expect that there is going to be more to it than that but I wonder if the "...men of different epochs, on planets of different cultures..." exist only in the blurb? (I will soon find out.)
As always, Poul Anderson comes to the rescue. His time travelers move through real history, not through abstract "space and time." In his The Corridors Of Time, rival human powers on a future Earth dispatch agents throughout history and prehistory. Unable to change events, they nevertheless recruit supporters and try to influence long term historical tendencies in order to determine an outcome in their future from which both sides are barred by their successors who, we learn, have transcended the conflict.
That really is a war fought throughout space and time.
Sunday, 24 November 2013
Now
Places
coexist. Thus, someone who has traveled from place 1 to place 2 can
then ask, "What is happening now at place 1?" However, times, e. g.,
4.00 am and 4.00 pm, do not coexist but precede and succeed each other.
Thus, someone who has either lived or "time traveled" from 4.00 am to
4.00 pm cannot then meaningfully ask, "What is happening now at 4.00
am?"
However, HG Wells writes, of his Time Traveller:
"He may even now - if I may use the phrase - be wandering on some plesiosaurus-haunted Oolitic coral reef..." (The Time Machine, London, 1973, p. 101)
- and John Brunner writes of men affected by an as yet unexplained "temporal surge":
"Now - if one could say such a thing - they were scattered across history..." (Threshold Of Eternity, New York, 1959, p. 11).
It would be interesting to know if Brunner realized as he wrote that he was echoing Wells on this precise point. However, Poul Anderson, who wrote three independent novels, one long series and several short stories about time travel, never made the mistake of referring to different times as if they were different places existing at the same time.
Addendum: In a film adaptation of The Time Machine, after the model time machine has disappeared, the Time Traveller says that by now it may be several years in the future.
However, HG Wells writes, of his Time Traveller:
"He may even now - if I may use the phrase - be wandering on some plesiosaurus-haunted Oolitic coral reef..." (The Time Machine, London, 1973, p. 101)
- and John Brunner writes of men affected by an as yet unexplained "temporal surge":
"Now - if one could say such a thing - they were scattered across history..." (Threshold Of Eternity, New York, 1959, p. 11).
It would be interesting to know if Brunner realized as he wrote that he was echoing Wells on this precise point. However, Poul Anderson, who wrote three independent novels, one long series and several short stories about time travel, never made the mistake of referring to different times as if they were different places existing at the same time.
Addendum: In a film adaptation of The Time Machine, after the model time machine has disappeared, the Time Traveller says that by now it may be several years in the future.
Monday, 11 November 2013
Summits Of Time Travel Fiction
Mark Twain: a novel about "transposition of epochs" to the Arthurian period.
HG Wells: the story of the Time Traveler's journey to the future.
Robert Heinlein: two stories and one novel about time travelers experiencing circular causality in the future.
Harry Harrison and Tim Powers: one novel each about time travelers experiencing circular causality in historical periods.
L Sprague de Camp and Ward Moore: one novel each about time travelers experiencing causality violation in historical periods.
Poul Anderson: a long story about a traveler around the circle of time.
Poul Anderson: a novel about time travelers experiencing circular causality in Atlantean prehistory.
Poul Anderson: two novels about time travelers experiencing circular causality in historical and future periods.
Poul Anderson: a series of stories and novels about an organization of time travelers experiencing both causality paradoxes in many historical periods.
Jack Finney: one collection and two long novels about time travelers to the late nineteenth and early twentieth century United States.
Richard Matheson and Audrey Niffenegger: one novel each about circular causality in romantic relationships.
I do not rate A Connecticut Yankee highly but Twain was there before Wells and before the Wellsian phrase "time traveling." I had thought of Anderson's Time Patrol series and Finney's two Time novels as the two peaks of time travel fiction but later had to add Niffenegger's The Time Traveler's Wife. Adhering to a single consistent timeline, Niffenegger avoids the incoherencies that Finney generates with his causality violation.
HG Wells: the story of the Time Traveler's journey to the future.
Robert Heinlein: two stories and one novel about time travelers experiencing circular causality in the future.
Harry Harrison and Tim Powers: one novel each about time travelers experiencing circular causality in historical periods.
L Sprague de Camp and Ward Moore: one novel each about time travelers experiencing causality violation in historical periods.
Poul Anderson: a long story about a traveler around the circle of time.
Poul Anderson: a novel about time travelers experiencing circular causality in Atlantean prehistory.
Poul Anderson: two novels about time travelers experiencing circular causality in historical and future periods.
Poul Anderson: a series of stories and novels about an organization of time travelers experiencing both causality paradoxes in many historical periods.
Jack Finney: one collection and two long novels about time travelers to the late nineteenth and early twentieth century United States.
Richard Matheson and Audrey Niffenegger: one novel each about circular causality in romantic relationships.
I do not rate A Connecticut Yankee highly but Twain was there before Wells and before the Wellsian phrase "time traveling." I had thought of Anderson's Time Patrol series and Finney's two Time novels as the two peaks of time travel fiction but later had to add Niffenegger's The Time Traveler's Wife. Adhering to a single consistent timeline, Niffenegger avoids the incoherencies that Finney generates with his causality violation.
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